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GUARDIAN: Episode One

Introduction


[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Oh hell, I realized this means I'm going to have to watch this episode again.

Plot

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Okay, I sat down with my computer and a notebook, then realized that I would have to pause every time I wanted to write things down, because subtitles. Anyway.

Episode 1 opens with the opening credits and a title song that grew on me more than I want to admit. Also, the opening credits are spoilers. I think the editors were less concerned with dramatic tension and more with Zhao Yunlan and Shen Wei sharing significant looks.

This is immediately followed by the info dump exposition described in the previous post. The production values are...interesting. Anyway, after a meteor destroys the environment on Haixing, there’s a big war until the Haixingren use the meteor to make what are called the four Holy Talismans, which somehow end the war. Under the terms of the treaty, the Dixingren have to go back underground, and now we jump 10,000 years to the present day.

[personal profile] hollyberries: The weird thing is reading between the lines, the Dixingren ruling faction was actually allied with the other two groups and was a signatory party to the treaty that … exiled his people underground for 10,000 years. That guy did not think it through.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Specifically, we jump to Professor Shen Wei of Dragon City University giving a lecture on biological mutation in species. He also can’t work a powerpoint, so he has his student Li Qian run it for him. This is the most realistic part of the show’s portrayal of academia.

([personal profile] kitsunec4: I had a professor who refused to use anything other than his actual slides on actual, physical slides for his lectures because he made them decades ago and had more tenure than god. You wanted references to study from? Yeah, that’s not happening. What is modernization?)

([personal profile] hollyberries: Dude science lectures in ppt are the definition of too much information too fast, we used to cry about the Krebs cycle in the twelve minutes it took our prof to explain the steps.)

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: The lecture wraps up, some senior guy called Professor Ouyang tries to headhunt Shen Wei for some project that will become relevant to the plot twenty plus episodes in. For now, Shen Wei turns him down, I think super politely, but then all of him reads as super polite and overly formal to me.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: In general, at least in this episode, Shen Wei is unfailingly, unflinchingly polite. It’s no less than you’d expect from a scholarly member of the bourgeoisie, which Zhao Yunlan eventually gets around to calling Shen Wei to his face. But it also keeps him deliberately and obviously held apart from all the other characters: he’s kind, thoughtful, conspicuously polite -- and nobody knows fucking anything about this guy other than that he’s a snack and somehow has tenure at 32. (At least we think he’s 32.)

(Ed. note: Apparently tenure isn't really a thing in China?)

[personal profile] hollyberries: He says he’s 32, which is a huge lie but probably matches his fake, fake papers.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: We get our first view of the One Panoramic Shot of Dragon City, this time lit for night. Cut to Guo Changcheng, who is supposed to kind of be our viewpoint character into the weirdness that is the Special Investigation Bureau. He’s very young, very timid, and completely freaked out when this dude on a motorcycle roars up. This is our first view of Zhao Yunlan, and the camera folks clearly had a lot of fun with the slow shot of him taking off his helmet.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: I ALSO HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THIS SLOW SHOT OF HIM TAKING OFF HIS HELMET. IT WAS AN EXTREMELY GOOD COMBINATION OF TECHNOLOGIES BETWEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHY AND THE SOUND DESIGN AND HIS FACE. A+ EVERYONE.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Guo hands over his notice to report for duty, and Zhao just…immediately is in Guo’s personal space? Like? This is not normal? He drapes himself over Guo, walks him into the building, makes Guo unwrap a lollipop for Zhao and then GRABS IT WITH HIS MOUTH while it’s still in Guo’s hand. After explaining that he’s only recently stopped smoking and has to have something in his mouth, Zhao literally throws Guo to his coworkers.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: This is going to begin a series of tribulations called, “Is Zhao Yunlan really going to do this entire 40 episode show with a sucker hanging out of his whore mouth?” and friends, I’m here to report that the answer is, “Yes, except for one time where it’s not in his mouth because he puts it in someone else’s mouth.”

[personal profile] hollyberries: In the book he smokes like a chimney. A small silver lining to the broadcasting bureau’s many restrictions, I guess? (Sidebar: Prof Shen’s actor would steal the lollipops all the time on set. He is the actual worst.)

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: The coworkers, in order of appearance, are:

Zhu Hong, whose lipstick game is always on point and who is a snake-type Yashouren. We know this because she has a snake lower half, done with very bad CGI.

Da Qing, a very young looking man who transforms into a very large black cat. He is apparently a thousand years old and Deputy Chief of the SID. The stand-in real cat just looks resigned to its fate.

Lin Jing, who has blown something up in his lab. He is a scientist, but I’ll let Kit yell about that.

([personal profile] kitsunec4: I have been summoned? I would argue Lin Jing is just a shitty engineer with delusions of grandeur because for the most part he just seems to be there to try and make stuff that’ll work. Without caring about the how, I’ll have more to scream in later episodes about Shen Wei and the ridiculous science props in this show too.)

Weng Zheng, who reads as a ghost because she has no feet, but is some kind of “energy type” Dixingren. Look, the writers tried.


Anyway, Guo faints. This gives us a chance to cut to a mysterious MURDER!

[personal profile] lazulisong: In the "I want to die of liver failure drinking game" I have in my head, you take a sip every time this kid faints and a shot every time someone is actually nice about it.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Cutting back to SID, Guo faints again. Zhao Yunlan makes it clear during one of the fainting spells that Guo is related to an important minister and everyone better be nice to him. The resolution to be nice to Guo lasts all of, like, a second. To be fair, he’s a very trying subordinate.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: We’ve had a lot of discussions about this, and while I’m amused by Guo Changcheng as a character if he was my employee I would have killed him and thrown his body in a river.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Zhao Yunlan, Da Qing and Guo go to investigate the weird murder. Zhao drives up on his motorcycle, and I have no idea how Da Qing beats him there in cat form. I also have no idea how Guo gets there, but he does, and does some more fainting. In the course of investigating the scene, Zhao Yunlan ends up dangling him out a second-story window by a rope, and that’s when Shen Wei comes on the scene. Understandably concerned by this young man he thinks is a student dangling out a window, he comes running when the rope breaks and Guo falls. This is how he sees Zhao Yunlan for the first time, as Zhao ducks back from the window like the guilty party he is.

And honestly, a lot of my notes from this point on devolve into yelling about the interactions between Zhao Yunlan and Shen Wei. Highlights include:

Shen Wei not wanting to make eye contact with Zhao Yunlan but stealing glances at him every time Zhao looks away.

Shen Wei’s fucking half smile when Shen Wei introduces himself and Zhao Yunlan says “Good name.”

Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan shaking hands and then Shen Wei just. Forgetting to let go.

The way Shen Wei clenches the business card Zhao Yunlan gives him.


THIS IS ONE FUCKING INTERACTION.

[personal profile] hollyberries: I know precisely 2.5 people will care but the naming conventions in this show kills me. Shen Wei’s name is a single last name + single given name form. Shen is a very old, established family name (famous for its scholars) that has its place as 14th in the Song dynasty’s Book of Hundred Names (like a Domesday Book, but written during the Chinese equivalent of the Enlightenment). In archaic Chinese, it means to sink into, or to be obsessed by. His given name, Wei, is initially a homophonic character that is comprised of the characters for mountain and demon. The person who gives him the Wei character he uses now changed it to one meaning ‘vast’, because his previous name ‘lacked the majestic scope he deserved’. (Yes, really.)

Zhao is the first name in the Book of Hundred Names. Yunlan is a two character given name, and means waves of clouds, like the sort you get at the peaks of very high mountains. For reasons that surpass understanding right now, he is also a dude named Kunlun from 10,000 years ago. Kunlun is actually a range of mountains running between Xinjiang and Tibet, lying between the water basins that give rise to two of China’s biggest rivers. Yunlan as a name calls back to the layer of clouds that almost constantly blanket the mountains’ peaks.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: Because I’m a 贱人 (look it up don’t ask your mom kids), I have to interject here that among ye olde time-y euphemisms in Chinese literature for fuckin’ was “the dance of the clouds and rain” so it’s entirely possible that in addition to being a beautiful reference to the origin of his soul, Yunlan as a name is also a dirty sex joke. You’re welcome.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Anyway. Zhao Yunlan is suspicious of Li Qian, who witnessed the murder and has been acting super suspicious the entire episode. Shen Wei shows up to rescue his student, Zhao Yunlan has an entire conversation around his goddamn lollipop, and then he sets Guo to tail Li Qian and Shen Wei, because he apparently wants this to fail.

Guo gets distracted by a lost grandmother, who coincidentally is Li Qian’s granny. After taking the granny home, the two are attacked by the shadow Dixingren. Old Chu gets to make a very dramatic appearance and fight the shadow dude with his puppet (and the effects are so very bad).

[personal profile] rageprufrock: This was the part in my first viewing of this series where I paused the TV and said out loud, “Oh -- no,” and promptly texted everyone I knew about how terrible this was. Shockingly this didn’t dissuade anybody from watching it.

[personal profile] kitsunec4: We make bad life choices.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Meanwhile, Shen Wei is moping over a personnel file he either already had or managed to get in a very short period of time. Cue flashback, where past Shen Wei has a lollipop shoved in his mouth by someone named Kunlun. Apparently Shen Wei is 10,000 years old, meaning he was around for the big war, and he made a promise to meet with this Kunlun dude, who is now Zhao Yunlan.

Zhao Yunlan proceeds to stalk Li Qian around campus, mostly by lounging on his motorcycle and eating lollipops. I don’t know why no one called the police on his sketchy ass, but Shen Wei sure notices him.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: When Moggies says “lounging,” she literally means, “lounging,” while also endlessly doing oral examinations on an infinite series of lollipops. I’m pretty sure nobody called the cops on him because, as a line from the book says, Zhao Yunlan has “pretty girls and bottoms falling all over themselves” to get to him. Would I be able to operate a mobile telephone to report him as a public disturbance to the law? Yes -- but only to my nethers.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: Zhao gets called away by Jin Ling, who has found some sort of lead. While the team is off investigating a dark building, mostly so they can wave flashlights around and Guo can get scared for comedic effect, the shadow Dixingren makes his move and tries to attack Li Qian. Shen Wei manages to block shadow dude with his body and get Li Qian to dial Zhao Yunlan while they’re hiding in a closet because Shen Wei doesn’t have a goddamn cell phone. Finally, Shen Wei and Li Qian escape to the roof, Shen Wei contrives to get thrown off said roof right before the team arrives, and then there is ominous thunder, the sky goes black, and the Black Cloak Envoy arrives.

The SID team is freaked out, no one but Zhao Yunlan is willing to look at the Black Cloak Envoy directly, and...look, I’m just going to say Shen Wei, we all know it’s Shen Wei at this point considering how the camera folks ZOOM IN AND LINGER on Zhi Yilong’s eyelashes at every opportunity during this scene.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: This is the stupidest costume on this show until the next stupidest costumes show up, too, by the way. His black cloak is massive, has raised embroidery, and also some sort of gauzy additional wedding train action happening on the back? Then there’s the domino mask. Jesus wept. He honestly looks like a D&D version of 50 Shades of Gray. Any minute now he’s going to talk about how he has unusual tastes and ask if Zhao Yunlan is a magic virgin.

[personal profile] hollyberries: And yet. The entire ensemble is a hot commodity on Taobao. You too can dress like a concussed vampire who’s late to a masque party for the low, low price of 200 yuan and your dignity.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: My main note on the showdown between shadow dude and Shen Wei is that it’s kind of amazing how Shen Wei manages to be menacing while wearing a ridiculous mask. Anyway. He turns shadow dude to ice and whisks him off to face judgement, because he is apparently the enforcer of the treaty on the Dixingren’s side. Oh, and he hasn’t put in an appearance above ground since Zhao Yunlan became Chief of the SID. I WONDER WHY.

The sky goes back to normal, time unfreezes, and Zhao Yunlan asks Li Qian where Shen Wei is. Because remember, he fell off a building!

Annnnd end credits.


Production Choices

[personal profile] rageprufrock: What pacing.

[personal profile] lazulisong: Dudes what the heck is up with Chinese dramas finishing the arc of an episode like ten minutes before the end of the airing time and immediately starting a new plot? Is it because they're released in batches? I noticed it with Dr Qin and Nirvana in Fire too.

[personal profile] tammaiya: Guardian is particularly egregious, though, because it’s baddy of the week and then they just… end one case somewhere in the middle of an episode and then start a new one, abruptly, apropos of nothing, and end the episode just whenever they hit time. There is apparently no attempt to even TRY to structure episodes or arcs with a logical narrative flow. Also, the special effects are so bad. SO bad. I’m saying this as someone who has cheerfully watched two full series of Kamen Rider.

[personal profile] kitsunec4: The special effects are...special in that there’s clearly no budget for this. It’s very much bad CGI from a cut-rate, budget studio. Clearly the money all went towards hiring Bai Yu and Zhu Yilong to hard carry this entire wreckage of a plot that the scriptwriters are passing off as something coherent.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: They certainly didn’t spend money on their sole CGI aerial shot of Dragon City.

[personal profile] kitsunec4: Their sole CGI aerial of Dragon City with the same damn flock of birds flying through at any and all hours that they need that establishing shot for. At least costuming appears to have put serious thought into storytelling and effective execution.

[personal profile] lazulisong: I agree, I was thinking about starting a drinking game for this show, and for every time they used that CGI shot, one sip, and every time they used the same shot, but with a night filter, one shot. Then I decided I was still too young to die of liver poisoning.

[personal profile] hollyberries: Bless the costuming department for giving Shen Wei beautifully fitted suits and waistcoats, Zhao Yunlan his host of leather and denim jackets, and above all the numerous couple trenches that appear in this show. (For context, couples clothing is a huge trend in China, and there is no way the two male leads wearing similarly cut pieces of clothing side by side is an accident.)


 

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: The couple trench coats AND ALSO THEIR FACES

[personal profile] hollyberries: The colour scheme of this show tends towards crisp, almost overlit blues and greens; Shen Wei is likely found in every conservative office wear colour commercially available. He is never without at least one stiff white shirt, matching sleeve garters, and ridiculous retro round wire-rim glasses. His clothes are ironed, creased to perfection, and he often adds little touches like collar chains, cufflinks, or silken ascots to complete his look.

Zhao Yunlan’s style can only be described as ‘bad boy cop’. He arrives on a motorcycle, leather jacket and helmet in place. His jeans look painted on, and some of them have strategic (and likely expensively designed) wear and tear.

[personal profile] rageprufrock: Please imagine the above and then a voice of God intoning, “This kills the Pru.”

[personal profile] hollyberries: Even his haircut is telling: Zhao Yunlan sports a boyish short cut with front-swept bangs when he first meets Shen Wei, and by the middle of the drama, when he is widely assumed to have consummated his relationship with Shen Wei, his bangs are parted, in the way that married women in historical China would put up their long hair and part the middle to signal they are wives.

[personal profile] lazulisong: Actually if you're paying attention, not only do they have the Couple Coats (the! First! Mention! Of! That! Coat! Is! Specifically!!! When! Zhao Yunlan!! Asks! Where! A Girl! Bought it!!! So! He can!!! Get! One! For! His! Girlfriend!!!!! --- costume department already realizing they're fucked for budget or deliberate suggestion, YOU BE THE JUDGE) but as the show progresses, Zhao Yunlan wears less leather and more denim and khaki, and Shen Wei gradually stops wearing such formal clothing, even at school, so by the end of the show they're actually at about the same level of formality in dress.

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: As you can imagine, we totally retained our chill throughout this show.

[personal profile] lazulisong: Hahaha. Haha. Ha. Ha.

Final Thoughts:

[personal profile] rageprufrock: I have really complicated feelings about this show, which are inextricably tied to this episode. By every objective measure aside from the two leads, this show is farm league. It feels like a crazed jumble of donated skill sets: the music is amazing, the sets are sometimes okay, the extras are dreadful, the special effects should be tried for war crimes -- but all of this falls so completely by the wayside when you have Zhu Yilong and Bai Yu acting their hearts out as Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan. They do so much with what little they have on the script pages, especially once you consider how much got gutted to align with Chinese censorship laws that cover both the original tenor of the relationship -- explicitly gay, romantic and consummated in the original novel -- as well as the themes -- explicitly religious, mystical and superstitious. I keep finding myself recommending this show to people, but in the context of, “Okay, this is terrible, but,” and even here, I find I conclude on, “Okay, this is terrible, but I love it.”

[personal profile] hollyberries: On a logistical note, Guardian was initially picked up by LeTV in 2016, and was slated for a very large budget. This is why the soundtrack, for example, sounds so well-done: they were completed while the production company still had money. Later in 2016, for reasons completely unrelated to the production itself, LeTV ran out of cash flow. Youku picked the show up as a hail-mary distributor and rushed it through the rest of the filming and post-production at a fraction of its original budget. The heart was there, but the money simply couldn’t follow where it led.

The chemistry between the two lead roles is the single worthiest reason to keep watching, and they never disappoint.

[personal profile] kitsunec4: I watched all forty episodes of this in about a week of delirium, and readers. All the faults which we’ve enumerated above? They only get worse as the storyline proceeds and more of it crashes against censors shaking their heads. Still, count me in the, I still love this stupid show camp. Why else am I forcing myself into a rewatch for these roundtable discussions?

[personal profile] moggiesandtea: All told, it’s not that bad of a first episode? It does what it needs to do in terms of establishing the world and the characters, it actually has a clear beginning, middle, and end, and I quite possibly have been rendered incapable of objectivity by my fondness for the two main characters and the actors who play them.

The special effects are real bad though.

 



Join us here next week for a discussion of Episode 2 and more yelling! Definitely more yelling!


Date: 2018-09-04 06:42 pm (UTC)
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This is the fucking funniest and most delightful take that I've seen so far and I'm so goddamn delighted this show is terrible but also makes me so happy I could explode and the chemistry of Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan alone could make me weep tears of happiness I am already so looking forward to continuing episode recaps like you wouldn't believe :D

Date: 2018-09-04 08:27 pm (UTC)
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Awwww, yay, come yell with us about this show! There’s just. So much?

So much.

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Date: 2018-09-04 07:28 pm (UTC)
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I absolutely screamed my way through all of this. AMAZING. Hopefully it's okay to link to this because wow.

I'm still saving a few episodes - I just finished 34 so you can imagine the state I'm in.

But there's so much in here I didn't know! I had no idea Guardian was originally picked up by a different production company with a bigger budget, though that explains a lot really. And thank you Youku!

I also hadn't noticed the costuming choices - or rather, I hadn't been able to put into words how it felt like they were matching each other more and more? And I certainly had no idea about the significance of the hair, which - you know what, it's probably 100% on purpose and that's exactly what it means and I'm not even surprised. Ridiculously amused, yes, but not surprised, because that's just like this show.

You too can dress like a concussed vampire who’s late to a masque party for the low, low price of 200 yuan and your dignity.

I'm sorry I have to leave now because I'm dead.

(Please keep yelling I will be back next week!)

Date: 2018-09-04 07:41 pm (UTC)
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It is ABSOLUTELY okay to link to this -- to everyone and anyone and in all the places. Please, sow this discord as wide as the eye can see.

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Also:

I know precisely 2.5 people will care

This is definitely 3.5 now I'm way too fascinated by naming conventions and this was some A++ meta my soul is soaring to those mountain tops now.

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Date: 2018-09-04 07:49 pm (UTC)
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I'm giggling so hard, this is delightful. Also looking forward to more recaps!!

Date: 2018-09-06 01:17 am (UTC)
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Welcome aboard!!

Date: 2018-09-04 08:09 pm (UTC)
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Ooh, this is great. I started watching a while back thanks your twitter, rageprufrock, and I am enjoying it a lot, and you're kinda giving me more insight as to why. :)

Date: 2018-09-04 09:26 pm (UTC)
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....Sorry I ruined your life.

(JK NOT SORRY THE MORE THE MERRIER.)

Date: 2018-09-04 09:14 pm (UTC)
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I read this and really enjoyed it and then went "wait, there is a fucking lollipop in the 10,000 year flashback in the very first episode?" and then I told my flatmate who didn't believe me, so we looked for that scene and there it was. How did we miss that.

I really look forward to Guardian discussions! I got into it recently, thanks to [personal profile] naye and others, and got obsessed very quickly. Now I have to rewatch the first episode (what a hardship.)

To clarify, are comments here supposed to be a spoiler-free zone? Or is it okay to talk spoilers if, say, it's clearly marked in the subject line?

Date: 2018-09-04 10:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rageprufrock
Comments including spoilers are okay! Adding a spoiler warning in the title would be a great courtesy for anyone who hasn't finished plowing through the show and/or the novel.

I made an account just to say this

Date: 2018-09-04 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gotcocomilk
Honestly, the most unbelievable part of this whole episode for me was tenure at 32. Tenure? At 32? Are you kidding me????

(Oh, and a fantastically entertaining discussion. I am only about half way through Guardian and already regretting and loving my life decisions. It's a good duality of mind to have)

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Date: 2018-09-05 12:38 am (UTC)
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Oh, don't even get us started on the tenured at 32 in a highly specialized field.

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Date: 2018-09-09 11:51 pm (UTC)
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It’s not impossible if you don’t have to do postdocs. Tenure at 32 is not unheard of in computer science. But I think postdocs are pretty much required in bio?

What gets me as well is how he manages to be a young (read: really busy) professor and the Black-Cloak Envoy. How much time commitment is the Black Cloak gig anyway? Like, dude, I know you have paper deadlines.

(I also made an account just for this.)
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Date: 2018-09-05 01:27 am (UTC)
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I actually quite enjoyed the first episode, in hindsight. It might be that as the series went on, the pacing and CGI actually GOT WORSE, so episode one, by comparison, was actually not too bad? But it might also have had something to do with the fact that it was my first time seeing Bai Yu and Zhu Yilong's beautiful, beautiful faces, and for all the series' faults, it did a GREAT job on their character introductions.

As for Shen Wei's tenure, I'm thinking that the only explanation is that the department saw just how pretty he was and realized that they could use him for recruitment purposes. I mean, I would take genetics if my professor looked like that.

Date: 2018-09-05 03:14 pm (UTC)
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We have pretty much retained the headcanon from Pru's fic about the uni suckering SW into taking the 8am Chinese Lit class because he is literally (ha) the only draw

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Date: 2018-09-05 02:02 am (UTC)
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AM I TOO LATE??

I just got into the show a...week ago? slogged through the first few episodes but then somehow...i am in love and inhaling them (halfway through! Mostly the past three days!)

But I must have some magical powers regarding shitty shows though? Is it really this bad the whole way through? Because I remember being extremely horrified by writing/acting/cgi/props (why is the dial a necklace?? it makes a horrible necklace! what a weird choice?)

But now I guess I am...used to it? I don't even notice. I had kind of assumed they just got better.

But it's possible I just started spending way too much time staring at Zhu Yilong's face every scene because damn is that boy dedicated to his craft (his craft being showing every ounce of those thousands of years of longing and love and pain on his face any time he is in a scene with zhao yunlan)

(that being said, i do need to say that I fully agree with pru: bai yu/zhao yunlan is the real snack of the show. Like. the kind of snack where you eat a whole bag of chips in one sitting Snack. you bought enough candy that you had to tell the cashier you were having a party and at it all yourself Snack. it's my type of snack and i want more)

Date: 2018-09-05 06:16 am (UTC)
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But I must have some magical powers regarding shitty shows though? Is it really this bad the whole way through?

I regret to inform you that the answer is: no, it gets worse. XD;

You're definitely not too late, though! We are only just getting started with this particular poor life choice...

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Date: 2018-09-05 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] yitiaoxianyu
wait sorry, does it actually mention anywhere that Shen Wei has tenure? tenure isn't particularly common in China's university system, and just because you're called 教授 doesn't mean you're a tenured prof... it's only the case if you're in a 终身制教授 role

Date: 2018-09-05 07:10 pm (UTC)
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You’re right! I had somehow assumed he would be a 院士级别教授 right off the bat (maybe because the research institute headed by prof Ouyang wants to hire him so badly?) which would be equivalent to tenure. Good catch!

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Date: 2018-09-05 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] rakuu_en
Echoing the sentiments of a commenter somewhere before me, I also created a DW account specifically to come here and yell with other people about the black hole that is Guardian. I should also probably mention that rageprufrock's fic Sarva was the siren song that pulled me into this fandom, and that she is definitely to blame for how 80% of my thoughts are now constantly preoccupied by our resident pretty boy, Zhu Yilong. Though I see that I was hardly her only victim.

I tried to recall my own initial reaction to Ep1 in homage to this review but all I remember is this:

- THAT LOOK on Shen Wei's face when he first looks up and sees Zhao Yunlan's face after like ten millennia of waiting. We all know the one. I think it was that look alone that cut through my prior fog of cynicism (which, suffering through 1. the ridiculous intro 2. Guo Changcheng as a character, especially since I thought he was going to be the protagonist 3. unfortunate special effects a la the members of the SID, I THINK I WAS JUSTIFIED IN HAVING) and doomed me to 39 more episodes of increasingly bizzare plot and awful CGI.

- I do remember a small sarcastic part of me making Romeo-and-Juliet balcony scene parallels. ANYONE ELSE.

- THE HANDSHAKE SCENE.

- Shen Wei brushing his fingers longingly over Zhao Yunlan's picture while reading his personnel form. I mean in any other movie this would be a classic villain move. Here it was just. Gay

- When time stopped and the sky literally clouded over to reveal Shen Wei in his Black Cloaked Envoy getup I.... paused my video and said, aloud, 'what the fuck'. Because really, what the hell is that, my dudes.

On a side note, most of my morning was spent trying not to laugh out loud at work as I read these two posts, so thank you for creating this community! I've been content to be a serial lurker in most fandoms but Guardian as a fandom is still pretty small and I am thirsty for more quality content and discussion so this community really is a godsend. Looking forward to the episodes ahead!

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Date: 2018-09-05 04:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] perspexsea
Ha, it was also her fic that got me into the show! Even though i never actually read it? I was looking for an sga fic and saw one that said 'guardian' and then....witchcraft and voodoo? I'm not sure how it happened, but here I am

THE LOOK ON SHEN WEI'S FACE. like his facial expressions are at least 75% of what kept me watching the show. Reincarnation as a romance trope is kind of super not my jam, but the way he sells all of that longing and pain every scene just super gets to me. The pining! The delicious pining

I was similarly offput by guo at first, but I feel like he got less annoying as a character for the most part? Plus I am just really into how in love with him chu is

THE HANDSHAKE SCENE. Honestly this show is so full of like, super common romance tropes given to shen wei and zhao yunlan that i'm super unclear on how this was ever sold as a hetero show. Were china's censor people asleep at the wheel or something? HOW MANY ROMCOMS HAVE HAD THE EXTENDED HANDSHAKE THING, COME ON

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Date: 2018-09-06 12:17 pm (UTC)
tinny: Shen Wei (Guardian) touching his heart with the text "my heart going boom boom boom" (guardian_shenwei heart going boom)
From: [personal profile] tinny
Okay, I haven't red the whole post yet, but this is the first thing I'd love more info on:

(Sidebar: Prof Shen’s actor would steal the lollipops all the time on set. He is the actual worst.)

Zhu Yilong comes across as so soft and shy and confused all the time. Is there any picture/video evidence of him being playful and/or mischievous? Because I need that in my life.

Date: 2018-09-06 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arrghigiveup
Somehow I cannot for the life of me remember which vid had the bit where he straight up admits to stealing Bai Yu's lollipops, but:

-No Eng subs but features a shot of Zhu Yilong sucking on a lollipop at 1:04. Also features him effortlessly pumping weights while Bai Yu's noodle arms completely fail to do a thing, along with other assorted goofiness

-Offscreen interactions

-Zhu Yilong & Bai Yu being goofs on livestream

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Snippets of Zhu Yilong & Bai Yu on Happy Camp

Bonus:
-Zhu Yilong and puppies
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Date: 2018-09-06 12:55 pm (UTC)
tinny: Zhao Yunlan almost kissing Shen Wei (Guardian) (guardian_lanwei kiss)
From: [personal profile] tinny
OMG name meta! Yes!!!! I love the Chinese language so much.

And clothing meta! I had noticed the trench coats appearing on Shen Wei, but didn't see the leather disappear on Yunlan. I will have to rewatch, or maybe make an illustrating picspam. *so many possibilities*

(I admit to my shame that I had read about Yunlan's changing hairstyle on tumblr before watching the relevant episode and then STILL ENTIRELY MISSED IT!)

Date: 2018-09-09 09:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fahye
so you're all FUCKING MENACES and instead of doing anything remotely useful with my life today I powered all the way up to episode 14 making increasingly high-pitched keening noises in between saying, aloud, to my empty house, "WOW" at the particularly awful bits. and then had to remember my dreamwidth password. you're all fired.

THAT PLATINUM LEVEL EYEFUCKING THOUGH.

Date: 2018-09-09 11:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arrghigiveup
HI FAHYE WELCOME WELCOME SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU JOIN US IN THIS HELLPIT 8D

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This was great

Date: 2018-09-10 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] diameter
Every part of this post killed me. I’ve been trying to convince people to watch this show, but I can’t in good faith recommend it wholeheartedly, and haven’t been very successful. And I am starved for people who understand how it can be so good when it’s so bad.

Thanks for the info about the production obstacles, it explains a lot. Looking forward to the next recap!

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Date: 2018-09-10 04:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arrghigiveup
Man, just about every introduction spiel we've made begins with the line "so this show is honestly terrible, BUT" XD

Date: 2018-09-24 02:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] furius
To be fair, fandom watched Torchwood, which is definitely not better than this. CGI, sets, plot, or otherwise. As paranormal investigators in the range from Big Wolf On Campus to X-files, this show, summary score first episode...is um..ranking alongside SPN at the very. least.

BUT THE CAT!!! Before the handshake, there's the meetcute Over the Damned Ancient(long-suffering) Cat.

I feel like there's a very particular (cat loving) audience that this show is aimed it. Actually, the web novel is clearly by one who knows the audience. The summary of the original mention "a top who bottoms and a bottom who tops".

That aside, those eyelashes, that lounging, I just watched the first episode and am amzed and kind of delirious how well they tried to adapt everything despite..everything else.

Date: 2019-02-03 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mekare
Thank you so much for including the explanations of their names! This was exactly what I've been missing. I am rewatching currently and doing my own picspam, squee posts and am still noticing details (like mysterious music starts right when Shen Wei turns around during his first appearance).
I don't mind the special effects they never are important to me when acting and/or story are interesting. Some of them look good to me (e.g. every time Black Cloak uses black energy).

Dudes what the heck is up with Chinese dramas finishing the arc of an episode like ten minutes before the end of the airing time and immediately starting a new plot? Is it because they're released in batches? I noticed it with Dr Qin and Nirvana in Fire too.

THIS! It’s been bugging me more and more. It feels so unnatural! In the first episode it’s okay because the story still goes on in 2, but after that? Cliff hangers in the oddest places!
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